Some that are very close to making it out of there, but still need to face with taking the USMLE Step 1 exam, which I have heard of success and not so successful stories. In the end I would recommend anyone to opt for a US/DO school, then to reapply, then to really be sure you want to be a doctor before going to these schools (AUC, SGU, Ross, AUA, Saba). My son has dyslexia so could not succeed in his first choicemedicine. I am a term four medical student, ignoring everything else (I choose to), I will say getting sick was what got me the most. Today, sixty-four million Americans live in areas where there is only one primary-care physician for every three thousand people. A 3.0 GPA is unimpressive and can easily get lost in the shuffle of competition with higher-graded students. And thats the outcome for the bright students. I am still dying. But take AUA out of the equation right now before he gets stuck at a school with no testing authority. If not after you get ECFMG certified there is only a 50% match rate for IMG both US and non US citizen. The toughest part about them leaving after a few terms is that the debt has mounted and they have to start repaying their loans 6 months after they quit. I, myself had my apartment broken into at 3am and experienced face to face confrontation with the intruder. If you graduated from such a school, talking badly about it is not going to do any favors for your reputation as a doctor. Getting an MD from a Caribbean school was a valid option maybe two decades ago but the number of residency positions has not increased since that time while the number of new MD and DO schools has. So, if the faculty is accomplished, why would they work for less than they could get in the US? Sabas curriculum emphasizes greater integration between case-based learning and clinical skills development. You also dont need a bachelors degree (but rather 3 years of undergraduate studies). The end goal of these schools is to help the student pass the board and match into a residency. I graduated from school in 2004. This system is designed to produce and pick whoever has the highest numbers. also try to get you to round in multiple hospitals, making it impossible for Saba University offers an excellent education to American students looking for a path to medical school. they are very competitive of course. We were both premed/biochem majors from a top undergraduate university whose pass rate for prerequisites were 50%, so were used to being under a lot of what seems to be unfair stress. This practice is used against faculty as well, who also have to rent, creating an overall environment of stress and anxiety for everyone at the university that makes it not worth living there, even if you can afford losing thousands arbitrarily. 4 Is it hard to get into Saba medical school? For a very long time, as its been almost 4 years since I left medicine, I was depressed and just in a bad place. I really could not relate to most of what is written here, and I know for certain that some of it is just factually incorrect. please, i hope you get in touch with me. He read his psychiatry textbooks and tried to ask as many patients to share their experience with their illness as a way to understand. Does anyone see this as a call for help ? And kudos to all the hard work you have put Into your medical studies and I wish to congratulate and wish you the best . Have faith & please join me. May be for US medical schools are better, but I didnt feel that way about High schools. Download your copy of the Scholarship Guide to find out which scholarships from around the world could be available to you, and how to apply for them. If youre considering a Caribbean school, you dont have a GPA that will get you into a proper American school. I was reprimanded when I asked what the screening practices were that allowed a criminal to teach us medicine. I bet you become a PA in USA Please educate yourself about this excellent profession first before undermining it. USA residency spots are funded by Medicare if Im not mistaken, so again we see the tax payers subsidizing this cycle. Residency, University of Toronto, Graduate. I am 36, considering this as well. Everyone will have a different experience and deal with it differently. With a 2.0 gpa admission cut-off, people with below average academic performance can pay their tuition to SJSM and attend medical school. Its worth a shot. cramped, relatively pricey, lacking amenities, laundry cooking etc.. but if you got money you drop the clothes off to a laundromat and eat out at small cafeterias. With that being said, you need to consider that both good and bad students will get in easily, hence why the passing rate are low. Failed out SJSM is way cheaper than Ross, but Ross is amongst the top Carribean Med Schools. We were used as Overall, I decided that I would withdraw and I would try getting into a U.S Medical school. Upon reflection research, AUA did not uphold the accreditation standards they were mandated to uphold. Questions would highlight what should I know. Sadly some of my friends are figuring this out the hard way, many of which have fallen into alcohol or drug abuse etcsimply to deal with the stress and everything that they have to put up with at this school. Hence, I urge the many readers and exceptional pre-meds that have read the article you have brought forward to be informed but definitely not afraid to pursue their dream. Saba graduates have enjoyed great success in securing residencies. I then went through some rough personal issues with my family and personal issues due to stress. Who would not rather kill themselves than pay the institution for this abuse? Its all about motivation and not falling in with the students who dont take it seriously or who dont put in enough time. To finalize my comment, no, it is not the end of the world to attend a Caribbean school and I dont believe its fair to stereotype Caribbean schools. Besides that, the school has 20+ selectives that includes on campus selectives and international trips to shadow physicians in other countries, research opportunities on campus, as well as, research opportunities in other countries. Would you recommend that. Do NOT LET HIM CHOOSE AUA! Ludicrous clowns at AUA ? I have a B.sc in human anatomy and wish to study medicine in a carribean university because they are cheaper than the those in the US and better than most of our Universities over here. I really do want SJSM to succeed, because their success is good for me too. you can sail anywhere you want. I started looking into applying to medical schools and/or PA Schools. Do you really want to graduate from a medical school that accepts and passes everyone? Do what you have to do. The Caribbean schools are definitely a place where you should go if only after examining yourself deeply and after your plan how to release your stresses. I dont know the current overall attrition rate at Saba because it varies a lot per semester and it is getting progressively worse in recent years due to changes in management and administration. My interpretation of Dr. Davids article is that he was making the point on the high attrition rate and questionable practices of for-profit medical schools. Intelligent people and the average joe have all fallen victim to such heinous practices. You read correctly! The students that I saw who didnt do well were: students who didnt care for medicine and they were simply doing it because it was their last resort, english wasnt their first language, students who got into toxic relationships, and students who put partying before their studies. Sure, its a Caribbean medical school but its also one that can set you up for clinical rotations in top U.S. and Canadian teaching hospitals provided you pass through all your pre-clinical training within 20 months. 1. you had to pass the FMGEMS (a separate and unequal test to the NMB) Ive gotten As and Bs in my first two years and so far all As for my core rotations and electives. In fact they may be targeted first. We all offer you stories, that reflect our good or bad experiences, sometimes we just give you the good stuff or just the bad stuff when writing. I do not regret the fact that I met wonderful people, while being there. Certification One thing that could make Saba worth applying to however is its residency track record. I know like it may seem like, this shouldnt matter because youll be just studying all day, but when youre in med school, any extra sanity is important. program is accredited by the Accreditation Organization of the Netherlands and Flanders (NVAO), the accrediting body for the Netherlands and Flanders.Approved by New York, California, and FloridaSaba University School of Medicine is one of the few international medical schools with approvals in the key states of New York, California and Florida. Fewer students from Caribbean med schools go on to the more competitive residencies, Saba included. We rotated through various public, private and military hospitals within the same country. What medical school did you apply for ? Students at Saba University are required to carry health insurance coverage for the duration of their medical school program. The point of this one example is that the school is run by advantage takers. The school offers an introductory semester called Foundations or something like that. Saba University School of Medicine has rolling admissions. HiHave you enrolled in a medical school as yet? I appreciate your post. The sad thing is that I look around to my colleagues. Student Mentor. Its the worst thing for some; but you either decide from peoples comments, in term one or after a school visit if you can tolerate that. Maybe you had some serious setbacks during undergrad and you got a less than stellar gpa as a result. Ross keeps its USMLE pass rates up by requiring students to first pass the COMP (CBSE) exam at the end of the basic science semesters. I spent thousands of dollars taking a couple classes in order 1. 2 sections/200 student lecture in one classroom. Other sources (like InGeniusPrep.com) tell us that the average GPA for Caribbean schools fluctuates between 3.2 and 3.3. Register to our upcoming in-person events and webinars! Most physician actively work to convince their children its a fools errand. Whatever happens, there is one thing I know; I been learning to be a doctor and now that I am well, if I could do it again, I would go for it. Point being, dont give SGU a reason to dismiss you. Talk about being stabbedand living death each day here is the beyond proof that wasnt a surprisebut our Dept of State, Med Assoc, and Corp filed fraud facilities from VA to public owned KNOWN exactly what they are doing: Self enrichment body processing life to TERRORIZED PAINFUL UNNECESSARY DETERIORATING DESTRUCTIVE TORTURE USA, Launch Your Ideal Clinic or Coaching Practice. Be 100% dedicated and you will get there. One of our professors that taught us pathophysiology is now in federal prison here in the US for fraud and a narcotics scheme. Even amongst my group of friends, I dont know a single person who has dropped out of SGU. I need to be honest and say that Ive had a really hard time at SJSM. Be one of those few students that stay at home with their head in the books while others go out. (1) Yes, Ive heard SGU did overfill one of their classes. Life is short so dont spend forever trying to be a doctor and look seriously at other options which will keep you happy. Sign up for free IELTS webinars and prep material, Saba University School of Medicine, Our school accepts a large number of students and it does tend to dwindle down and it is very unfortunate. It highlights the mind boggling amount of cash that is flowing in this industry. I love my school and I am very grateful for this opportunity. Bullcrap. Like finding out good studying strategies. The fact that you cant complain or ask for change because no one is listening and going to change things might be the worst thing for you, but some people might just not let that affect them. You will be required to be in class and you have to find a way to learn in and out of class if your classes are too long. My brother graduated from SGU in 2011. Clerkships etc. Hello, Im nigerian as well. Just lost my license because of slightly poor eye sight. You need to ask yourself: am I one of those 10 students? My response was maybe if you attended classes consistently, you would have learned a thing or two. I will tell you from experience that if you put in the effort and my professors see you giving it your all, they will GLADLY help you. Thanks Tori. I would just like point out that in order for a Caribbean-based student to become licensed as an MD, he/she has to pass the same exams and survive clinicals the same way U.S. based students have to. This was probably due to my run-ins with the administration for being vocal about injustices we had faced. YOU are in control of what you do in the next 2 years of studying, and many students fail to use their time wisely, because of all the freedom they get and because of the lack of restriction by the school. Thanks for reading. However, I would like to kindly ask this question: Do you honestly feel that asking a student who is aspiring to be a physician to maintain a C or better is asking too much? However, I will not mention its name because I have seen others in this comment section malign and accuse others of being paid or asked by the school to do this. You keep your head down, study everyday, and hit the store once a week. Here is a recent example of a shady/frustrating experience students had to deal with: SJSM, part way through a semester decided that they were going to have students write exam style questions for marks that would contribute to their course grades. Was no walk in the park, you needed to devote 1000% focus on studying and clinical time. Besides meeting the admissions criteria, its as good idea as any to make sure you follow the process as smoothly as you can. Secrets to loving your life in healthcare. Carribean Medical schools are usually for-profit and are usually extremely predatory in their practices. There are scholarships. Students are not eligible for registration, as the General Medical Council of the UK does not recognize AUC as an accredited medical school because its training was deemed insufficient by their standards (see AUC website, UK Medical Council, Wikipedia etc). The only time this happens is when the instructor committed a serious crime and got stripped of their license to practice medicine. About 30% of the class has headphones on during lecture listening to an outside source and just click in for the attendance question. At $26,000 tuition per semester and the chance of financial aid for both U.S. and Canadian students, also means you shouldnt rule it out. Thank You for this message. in a Good suburb of Newark. Get rid of your TV and headphones if you are struggling. These Caribbean programs are fast-paced so if you miss a class, you miss a lot and its hard to catch up. -Ive recently heard alot of cons about Ross but what do you think of the school since it has moved to Barbados? Take a look at the staff of a couple of dozen medical groups and youll find that there are many graduates of Caribbean medical schools. Does this mean I shouldnt apply for a med school in the Caribbeans? European model of 6 years is much better and slower pace. Had I not took care of my Taxes, Citizenship standing, I would have been required to pay 10,000USD donation for being an international student and a different tuition rate. The school and curriculum arent that difficult. When picking your medical school, or your job and location; examine yourself. If so, do you think the same things occur around Europe? It stands to reason that if any student can do that, they are capable. There were only a few cadavers in the anatomy labsdug up from Our class size was comfortable, not crowded, professors were generally great with few notable exceptions due to personality. My school gave me the opportunity to study medicine, something that US medical schools didnt do for me. There was nothing left to go back to. Choose SGU. I do believe that a reasonably strong candidate should be able to get a DO spot as I know people who got in on the second and third application cycle. Hi Dr. Wible, Everyone has different experiences about their transition at Caribbean medical schools. Yes, we have to work harder to be considered for residency but I prefer to work harder for my dream and become successful in my career than working on something else that does not fulfill my heart. The tuition is less than some of the other Caribbean schools and there is a possibility that you can become a doctor by attending this school. I have done my research on Carrib med schools and I do not think I would have an issue with the island life as my parents are from the carribean and I would love to hear what you have to say about class size esp anatomy classes, and professor relationships and well preparation for USMLE Step 1 program and clinical rotations. 90% of all graduate schools require a 3.0 GPA to graduate, especially at the doctorate level. It should be a LAST resort. Well dive into other aspects of Sabas admissions process in this article. There are no textbooks, no study materials, the lecture hall has a capacity of 200 students but there are 1,000 students (so a good number will be wharfed eventually), there is no electricity to study with, there is no internet, accommodation was always a problem so you might end up squatting in a tiny room with at least 5 people, you get ONE big exam per course at the end of the entire semester (nothing like midterms cos professors are too lazy for that), there are professors who will NEVER award an A regardless of how good a student is, then theres the dean of the department who will announce to the incoming class that they didnt graduate with a first class (magna/summa cum laude) in their time so if youre in this class hoping for such grades, you should dreamless because he does NOT award such in the departmentand a laundry list of other adversities facing medical students in Nigeria yet they prevail and become one of the most brilliant doctors Ive ever seen. 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